week 5: Reflection on Online Interviews

For my Students’ Displacement project, I’ve done three interviews with Carleton students who are either staying on campus or staying at someone’s house. Through those interviews, I found some difficulties in conducting an interview online and asking personal and sometimes sensitive questions that mostly pertain to the interviewees’ current situations. Since I knew the three interviewees, it seemed relatively easy to make a setting where they can speak comfortably. I started the conversation by catching up on things and got some recent updates that might include what they would be talking about during the interview. However, once I pressed the recording button and formally started the interview, sometimes they talked less about their personal things than they did before the interview, in our even more casual conversation. Occasionally, I made some follow up questions to dig deeper into their stories, but I was still not sure about how deep I could ask them.

Also, one of the interviewees let me hear a fairy sensitive story that I had never known. I asked more about the story with some additional questions, but after answering all the questions, eventually, she asked me not to use her name–make the interview anonymous. This interview made me re-realize that this interview process was personal and vulnerable to share with the public. I think the interviewing process, especially in interviewing about personal topics, requires an interviewer to make sure how much we can share with the public beforehand, including if we can share the recorded video or not and if the interviewee is comfortable with sharing all the contents mentioned during the interview with the public.

Current struggles

I think that for future historians its important to think about the vulnerable spot people are currently in. When we ask people to share about their days and how their lives have been impacted, we are asking people to share things that are socially frowned up. We are asking people to discuss unemployment, sickness, death, and loneliness. The unique circumstances the pandemic has created means that people are in positions decline and often feel a sense of inferiority and insecurity due to this. It is a lot to expect people to be open and honest about those emotions they’re feeling and the experiences that are creating those emotions for them.

It is much easier for people to talk about positive during the time. It’s easier to discuss new hobbies, new pets, what art children are making, the new time they’ve found to read, the new recipes they’re trying, etc. While this demonstrates how the previous years promoted a workaholic culture that pulled people away from their personal interests, it does not create a complete picture of life during COVID-19.

Week 5: The Shortcomings of Zoom Interviews

From not asking the “right” question to feeling the pressure of being recorded, I think digital interviews have various limitations when trying to document the history of COVID-19 and personal experiences. Since the goal of our project is to collect as many perspectives as possible, I’ve had the opportunity to interview Carleton students from various backgrounds who all have handled the COVID-19 pandemic in different ways. Despite the diversity in responses, one similarity within all these conversations is the behavior of students’ when the interview officially starts. Every time I click the record button on Zoom, the interaction shifts from a more casual conversation to a seemingly rigid set of responses. Even though I don’t have much experience facilitating these types of discussions, and there are ways I could improve how I conduct the interview, I think there is a personal element lost through this form of documentation. It’s not that the information from these interviews isn’t enlightening or important for public memory, but I feel partially unsatisfied by this subtle shift in conversation that occurs when the interview starts.

I hope that as I continue to conduct these interviews, the flow of conversation will become more natural, portraying a realistic image of the interviewee, but in some ways, I’m not sure if this is possible. When I asked a friend about this subject, she said that it’s almost impossible to completely capture an individual and their experiences through recorded interviews over Zoom, which is why preserving art created during this time is so important. She mentioned that a painting, film, picture, etc. has the power to portray aspects of the self and its surroundings, which can’t be captured by answering a set of questions. I still believe that conducting and documenting these interviews with Carleton students is important, but there are limitations with both my experience and this form of preservation, which detracts a sense of character from the interviewee, possibly restricting the audience’s ability to empathize with the content of the video.

week 5 reflections

My work so far has focused on two main themes: positivity within communities and personal testimonies on COVID-19’s impact on individuals’ personal relationships and connections. I believe these mini interviews/testimonies best match with the statements and goals underlined in the Value of History document. Listed in this article are seven ways in which history is relevant and significant. One point provided is that history can engage citizens by encouraging an understanding of the past and allowing active participation in the documentation of the present. I believe my mini interviews have allowed individuals to recognize their position in history as future primary sources, realizing the impact that they have on the legacy of this pandemic. The article also mentions that democracy thrives on the multitude of these conversations as complexities start to reveal themselves and supersede generalizations. In other words, by actively encouraging individuals to tell their story and reaffirming their place in history, different perspectives and ideas are documented. As a result, the legacy of COVID-19 will be very rich and nuanced and hopefully will encourage future civic engagement as well! At first, I struggled to find people who were willing to engage in this project. Possibly, there was confusion over the goals of archiving or what should be documented. It was hard to try and promote the concept of shared authority when no one seemed active and ready to share. I knew I could rely on things I came across, but I wanted to capture another’s story. I learned that sometimes it just takes asking for five minutes of someone’s time to get the ball rolling.

Natalie Lafferty

Week 5: some thoughts on my Collection Process

So far, I have collected documents and photos from my local area showing responses to coronavirus. This has been at local businesses and community gathering places. I also have recorded how my own life has changed and some of the activities I have been doing at home. This will hopefully capture some of the local changes that have occurred during this time. I have been focusing on collecting ephemeral things that may not be easy to document post-Coronavirus. I feel that in this part of my work, I have been pretty representative of the local community in the public realm.

My main focus is working with teachers and students in primary and secondary school to document their stories. In terms of the generational diversity, I see this as being an important perspective that is sometimes tough to reach as most sources come from adults. One thing I have hit a snag with is who is engaging and submitting things in the virtual classroom. These students are the ones who normally struggle less in school and have a home situation that is conducive to learning. This is something I need to keep in mind as a potential weakness of the voices I am collecting for the archive.  

The Promises and limitations of a Covid-19 education

As I look back over the motley collection of artifacts I have assembled for the Plague Year archive, I have come to realize their importance, not merely for the preservation of various materials from this spring, but as in some ways representative of my restrictions and abilities during the pandemic. My mother is a health care worker in a clinic where every patient has a compromised immune system, so I have not entered a building apart from my home for almost two months now. I do not have documents about how my friends are dealing with the disease because college students are going to school across time zones and it is difficult to find times to connect. The documents I have collected, in part, represent my interests and concerns during Covid-19, but they also represent my limitations and my loss of connection with the physical world, or at least to the people in that world. 

 I am experiencing this pandemic at home in Juneau, AK, where so far, we have been lucky to escape the worst effects of the virus. We learned yesterday of the 10th death in the state, the first death in several weeks as the Governor has been slowly reopening. While we have certainly had an easier time with the virus itself, watching the demise of the oil industry and tourism, the two largest industries in the state, has felt a bit like a lucid dream as we fall off a precipice. This is certainly a price I believe we are all willing to pay to protect our communities and I have heard little vocal resistance, but my fears for the future impacts of this pandemic, and my concerns for education, have certainly influenced my interest in documenting how children and students are being impacted. This summer, high school students would have begun working their first jobs as tour guides or fishermen, while younger children would often be left with grandparents while parents worked during the busiest season of the year. Instead, students who were generally brought up to avoid screens (as I recall my elementary school had a total of two computers) are being told to do their schoolwork with inadequate access to devices and increasingly spotty internet access. From my observations out my window it seems that most of them have given up amidst the first signs of spring, and have traded social studies for mud pies in the ditch and bicycle rides. This prompted me to look at the ways in which schools and curriculums are adapting to try to teach students amidst the distractions of quarantine. I intended this to be a broad sampling of the nation’s policies, but I have found that they have begun to cluster around the small towns of the Northwest, those places that, like Juneau, are facing low virus levels at the moment, but steep economic crises from boom and bust economies and problems of isolation. 

I grew up with the repeated avowal that ‘it takes a village to raise a child.’ Teachers and neighbors, elders and aunties, family and friends all have a part in teaching and supporting every child and the breakdown of those relationships are both isolating and worrying for the future. Yet the children running past my window are also heartening in their resilience, looking for ways to overcome their situation, and learning to ride a two-wheeler while they are at it. Of course it is important that these students are missing fundamental time in schools when they should be learning social studies, but as some communities’ distance-learning plans are beginning to grasp, at the moment, caring for your community may just be the most important civics lesson these children can learn.

Week V: looking to the future

As we continue to progress through this unusual term, I find myself thinking more frequently and more deeply about how this time will be remembered. As historians, we all have an understanding of the urgency that accompanies preservation and remembrance, but often it is difficult to bring that sense of urgency out of its theoretical location and into the material world of our daily practices and considerations. Any discussion that seeks to engage with “how historians will remember this moment” must foreground personal reflection, one’s own lived experiences, one’s own experiences as a historian. We are all historians; we look to the past for lessons. All too often, however, we forget to learn lessons from the present. We forget that, as the architects of a contemporary archive, we are responsible for making this moment coherent outside of our current context. We forget that the difficulties inherent to historical study are mediated through the work of archiving, and can be ameliorated by that same labor.

We must consider those things that have become commonplace, have become embedded in our prevailing assumptions about life in the era of COVID-19, and work to ensure that these concerns, anxieties, pleasures, and constraints are communicated through our processes of collection. In other words, the fact that I have effectively forgotten about the presidential election for the past month is noteworthy; we ought to find places in the archive for such subliminal alterations in the human psyche – these are necessary for making sense of the present, for making sense of the past. In many ways, consciousness dictates context; the facts of the past are only “authentic” or “true” insofar as they reflect the subjectivities of historical actors. To put it plainly, our experiences of this pandemic comprise the pandemic. As a moment in human history, COVID-19 can only be understood through the lens of human agency and human consciousness. 

We must also think of what disciplines our archival practices. The fact that we cannot be within six feet of one another is not merely a peculiarity of our current moment that is worth remembering; it is a momentous particularity that fundamentally shapes our ability to archive, to dialogue, to remember. These considerations are obvious now, but it won’t be long until they become disentangled with our collective common sense; historians of the future, including us, will not read the archive with an understanding of our current spatial concerns. They may not understand that the dearth of in-person interviews in the archive, for example, is not merely an absence but a historical fact in and of itself.

There is no thesis statement to my concerns, but for these reasons it is important that we stay vigilant in our collection processes, that we write lengthier descriptions and provide more context for our contributions, that we check our assumptions and deconstruct them in the space of the archive. The political implications of both history and emergency are currently in a dangerous entanglement; remembering is more important than ever.

Institutional Communications and Community

Hello world! Over the past few weeks we (Sam and Elias) have been working together on collecting items to contribute to the local Carleton COVID-19 archive. As a small group, we have been able to work closely on developing our ideas about what kinds of themes we’re interested in, what kinds of items represent those themes, and how we want to approach the process of selection, collection, and preservation. We decided early on that we are both very interested in documenting the ways in which community institutions (e.g. libraries, small businesses, and schools, but also families, friend groups, clubs, etc.) are making efforts to continue serving the public, fostering community, and/or stay in business under current (evolving) circumstances. The economic impact of this pandemic is yet to be fully evident, but it is certain to be a point of emphasis in the histories that are written of our present moment. It is important, then, to preserve the digital and analog communications (newsletters, social media updates, etc.), public signage, and personal experiences that highlight and represent the changing face of our local landscapes, both literal and metaphorical. These images, documents, and voices not only shed light on the many implications of current economic conditions but also illuminate the ways in which institutions are continuing to foster community even during times of grave uncertainty regarding both the health of the public and the health of our local institutions themselves.

Be it a “store closed” sign or a newsletter outlining a grocer’s delivery schedule, the sources that we have preserved in the archive up to this point appear as if authored by the institution. While we know that there were people behind these publications, there is minimal indication of internal decision-making and strategizing in these outward-facing publications even if they do convey emotion, anxiety, and a personal touch. We find it very important to preserve these outwardly-facing sources and will continue to do so. Representing how institutions present themselves to the public is certainly a marker of their shifting (or static) public role. Yet going forward, we are also interested in capturing the behind-the-scenes production of these external communiqués. This could be in the form of guided oral histories, written responses, short interviews, among other things. We would like to trace the difference between, internally, how meaning is contested, priorities are debated, and community is conceived and how these messages are conveyed to the public. This endeavor will hopefully answer and preserve questions about the social and emotional forces that alter the leap from personal conceptions of crisis and community to public, institutional sharings thereof.

Generational Diversity in the Covid-19 Archive

This term, our group is focused on ensuring that we preserve voices from people across generational lines to get a fuller picture of how this pandemic is affecting families, communities, and individuals across the country. While recent news stories have often highlighted tropes of endangered and isolated seniors and community elders, while often pointing to children or young adults as unwarry, or even dismissive Coronavirus spreaders, this disease is affecting people of all ages and we want to preserve this full range of impacts in the archive. We are looking to utilize several avenues for this collection. Rebecca has begun to explore the impacts on seniors in rural West Virginia, asking them to record some of their experiences to include their voices and experiences of this year. Jacob and McLain are increasingly focused on the impacts of Covid-19 shutdowns on children and young people, with a particular focus on how education is adapting and how this affects students and families across the country. We have begun to gather sources from State departments of education, school districts, and teachers, and we hope to outreach and begin to gather experiences from students themselves in different areas. This might take the shape of written journals, photographs, recorded zoom calls, or even oral histories performed by students on their classmates that will document the experiences of a group underrepresented in news reports and fundamental to our understanding of how families and communities are responding to and enduring this pandemic.

capturing the Social Impact of coronavirus

We are focusing on the perspectives from a variety of social groups and how they have been impacted by COVID-19. Our goal is to collect the stories and experiences of marginalized groups, but we realize that there are some barriers to that for some members of our group. All three of our group members have slightly different goals for this project, but ultimately they all examine the social consequences of this virus. We also see the value in documenting not only negative consequences of this pandemic but also ways in which people are coming together and supporting each other. But, we also want to capture the positive aspects of this time more broadly and explore the room for individual growth that people see in this experience.

Natalie is focusing on how different families have been affected by COVID-19, reaching out to a diverse group of individuals, geographically, structurally, economically, etc, and interviewing them to document how their family dynamics have been altered by this virus. In addition, I am capturing how families are staying positive during this time. Through images of chalk art, encouraging words on signs in their yard, social media posts, and other examples, I would like to highlight how families and organizations are supporting their community and first responders. As of now, I have been reaching out to members of my community to start getting responses and eventually have the goal of including more marginalized groups in my documentation. 

Anne is focusing on the impact that Covid-19 has on international students around the world. Many people do not see international students as marginalized, and this generalized assumption might be true in normal times. However, I see how pandemic can shift the social dynamic and position of people, disadvantaging certain groups of students who we simply believe them to be privileged and do not take into consideration. I do not like to ignore the voices of people by dwelling on the normative idea of marginalization. In this vein, I would like to highlight the experiences of international students by documenting interviews and collecting news articles and comments. 

Michael is interested in preserving the memory of marginalized groups by archiving different types of media to capture how the coronavirus has politically and socially impacted these groups. These groups’ identities are threatened by the current political dialogue and by barriers placed on them by society which makes it more difficult for them to share their stories. I believe it is necessary to preserve the memory of these groups to prevent their experiences from being ignored or falling through the cracks of time. However, I want to recognize everyone’s experiences are important to document at this time and I am open to sharing anyone’s stories. I will be using a variety of media to capture the experiences of different people.